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hundred percent because of economic to mystic issues taxes spending anything involving the economy so this is foreign affairs i'm a little bit more on the ron paul side on foreign affairs and i don't always agree with mitt romney on foreign affairs i disagree in the way that i think we do not want to be the world's policemen and we do not want to be a nation builder ok i'll wager what i mean is it a little different when you get honest let me know you've always on me ask you in a different way do you think romney is coherent on foreign policy let's do it that way yeah well let's put it this way george bush got us into some other warranted wars that helped to bankrupt the united states of america i think he made some very obvious mistakes barack obama's policies of appeasement apology have put the united states in a horrendous position that might lead to future wars and he's completely abandon israel and thrown her under the bus so where i agree with romney is our standing in the world was not helped by being nice and being naive and being apologetic and i'm very pro israel and i believe the united states of america must always be very pro
israel and that's where i stand with mitt romney ok take a penny i'm going to go to you in washington what do you want to react to what wayne just said there. well it would be nice to know if we actually knew it mitt romney actually stood for i mean similar to where he is on the domestic policy we still don't have a clear picture of where he is on the foreign policy i mean again his speech after speech is just more about platitudes than it actually is specifics and he says he disagrees with barack obama but when you look at his actual what he does actually say when he gets to just as sampling of details it is it is similar to what the president said he says you know the president needs to be tougher on iran what are you going to do met or i'm going to do the same sanctions that the president is doing we need to get out of afghanistan what the president shouldn't be getting out to get afghanistan but you know what i'm going to pull the troops out in twenty fourteen as well so you know he was all over the map similar to all issues and he tries to play both sides and he flip flops you know so much so they should be having stock in the company ok and so if we're going to you in london it seems to
me a lot of people say that you know romney is a bush retread but it seems to me exactly like barack obama. well i got out and i do with you on the substance and i think on the substance if we can try and predict what a romney presidency will look like on foreign policy it does seem that in substance he won't be that different to barack obama certainly if we're talking about the middle east romney may be sounding more tough on iran but he's not he's not saying i'm going to bomb iran is not saying i'm going to do anything substantially different from what from what about has been doing now so i agree i think that it's very it's very similar he's very similar to a bomber in that in that sense but i think it's important to look at the tone and the rhetoric and america is the country most looked upon from around the world and i think that if if romney is sounding a different tone to what obama was sounding less you could call it appeasement you could call it less
a less conciliatory towards the arab world and towards china towards north korea towards russia i think there also has an importance to itself ok when do you think the united states needs to be more aggressive in the world i think the world had enough of american aggression in the last decade. well you know like i said i think there's two extremes i think bush was too aggressive i think obama is not aggressive enough i think the answer is very often moderation right in the middle i think when it comes to israel the united states has got to be supportive i think the important part is we do not have to bomb iran i think that israel should be given the green light to do what needs to be done in a read that's how foreign policy under romney will be very different i think that we're not supportive of the arab spring i could have told you and i'm not a foreign policy expert that the arab spring was going to lead to nightmares for the united states and israel have put regimes in place that were far worse than mubarak or any play democracy is a dangerous thing democracy is a dangerous thing go ahead tony would jump in that what i want to believe either
it's a better it's a dangerous ok go ahead. but you know i know that when i say that you know he has to completely abandon israel but in but in fact he hasn't i mean we have increased the amount of money that we have continued to give israel we are continuing to strengthen the dome that is over there for the most security and they have engaged i mean yes there's probably not the personal relationship that ben ben benjamin netanyahu and president obama have but yet that the policies are clear we are absolutely supportive of continuing on we strengthen israel so that they have the capacities and the capabilities to do what they need to do with regards to security in that region so you know we do not need to be the police i do agree with wayne that we do not need to be the police of the world but yet at the same time people do look for us for the leadership and where the president has done right is in a multilateral cooperation in trying to get it so that we're not the force we weren't they'd leave force in libya but we brought together other nations we were the lead and iran but we brought together other nations to do crippling sanctions
so we do need to have a good how but we've made it what everybody is if you listen to everything would be good if you listen to everything that romney studies that he doesn't want that he wants america to lead alone. who knows where mitt romney's lead me he says these things but he had in the same time he backtracked in the next speech so you just never know where he's going to be again to look for years on afghanistan where he says to the president he says he says oh no we can't we can't put a date out there for twenty fourteen but yet what are you going to do in that romney i'm going to remove the troops in twenty fourteen so then he's all over the map ok when you want to react to that go ahead but the argument peter well just the argument that obama is pro israeli and his policy is that everybody has which are always going to america around me and everybody is you're always railing in america there's gradations peter there's gradations of how pro israel you are mitt romney stands one hundred percent with israel obama is very wishy washy and i believe his
only support. there is only there we were really supportive of israel and it was the lesser of you know go ahead go ahead in london your turn go ahead i think i think the i think i agree that the record does support what wayne says i think that on substance on actual aides to israel cooperation with intelligence on the military level the obama administration has been every bit as good as previous administrations if not better i'm saying this is a previous security correspondent in israel you can see the level of cooperation on exercises on intelligence sharing on development of of weapons systems penny mentioned i and which is that which is a groundbreaking weapons and being developed in israel mainly through many with american dollars so that all this all this does prove that the obama administration has carried on the policy of previous administrations of cooperating with israel on defense affairs of intelligence and on diplomacy record i think where we are just.
a way where i agree with you is that is that the tone of the administration that what you call the wishy washy. he watches of the administration has been has been very much very much a problem because america is not just about giving. a dollars i mean sending troops around the world america also has a voice and i think obama in many ways is lost the voice of leadership it's not just about what you want to do it's also about what you are very understanding of period and it's not just about me going to me now right now because i think it's not just about mitt romney because obama's the lord of the drone ok it's really hard to get him on foreign policy any go like lord of the you look at when that is what it is and hey he is lord of the drown right now and he has increased it tenfold to what president bush had done but i mean look also look at the recent trip from mitt romney i mean he had an opportunity to go and it was going to be his grand coming out and to show his expertise in foreign policy while he did this trip
he bumbled in london he bumbled all along the way he called you know it was a cultural difference in their cultural issues in which the palestinians can't now succeed when he offended them as well i mean how are you going to go into the middle east and try to work on a peace agreement when you can usually a fellow want to show that indians ok go ahead go ahead you understand the concept of the people around well go ahead and listen. and listen this is where penny and i have giant disagreements mitt romney told the truth and the politically correct left doesn't like it drusilla is the capital of israel these really are not legally . possible not under international law no way i'm sorry israel this is a real serious repeating what is real them is and then the united states gentleman . all right i don't want to make a liar program and it is one of those really silly there's all of the world's big washington d.c. is the capital washington d.c. is the capital of america and we don't really care what the rest of the world thinks and i'm wondering israel feels the same way drusilla's the capital the drew
the israeli people are in fact the most industrious people in the entire world the most productive industrialist per capita the most successful entrepreneurial the fact that say that it gets a lot of the american aid is through our home ok penny go ahead before we go to the break well we give six billion is how i think your enemies so let's be fair go ahead penny. i would say i mean we are we are absolutely wrecked we do recognize the right of israel we do our record recognize you know the capital and jerusalem and we also but at the same time we also understand that we're also part of the larger conversation we're being asked to help in the aid and to be also to help and both sides both on the palestinians and in the israeli side and where we can be that voice of reason to be able to bring both sides together to maintain peace in the region that is our objective so we do have to balance and it's great i want you have a one sided view of it but we need to have a balance there in the middle east when you go ahead thirty seconds what are the
left out of this conversation what's been left out of this conversation is that when you're talking foreign policy and barack obama libya is a disgrace what just happened or a bastard being killed we were warned in advance no security that was was asked for was provided and then a coverup ensued this is watergate with a dead embassador and three did navy seals and it's a disgrace to the united states of america very difficult if i would agree to that you just raised that security was cut by the republicans are right we're going to get i want short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on mitt romney's foreign policy state. and.
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and. welcome back to around the time people about to mind you we're talking about the foreign policy agendas that the u.s. presidential candidates. can't. stand. ok penny about to go back to you in washington i actually appreciate what you had to say about you know having america's voice in the world and
a reasonable one but mitt romney does sound very very aggressive ok and he sounds very unilateral in his approach now i know that can be a campaign ploy ok but people do listen to these debates outside of the united states. you know it will be curious to see if the where he goes with with his foreign policy message you know he's hearing from a lot of advisors and many of them from the george w. bush administration and some of them so he's trying to balance right now between the neo cons and on the far right and also some more on the moderate so we don't necessarily have a real clear picture as to how he will approach foreign policy we saw in his first foray not only on the foreign trip but he also in his recent you know in his immediate response to the unfortunate situation in the real sad situation that we faced in benghazi when four when four americans were killed including our ambassador and it was a bubble right out of the beginning and so he overreacted he reacted in
a political manner instead of a more presidential science and you know it was a real real unfortunate so we really don't know whether or not he has the background in the expertise to really truly lead us in this area of foreign policy and so what do you think about that in london let me go to london first. i think that as you mentioned. all the world is looking at the debates not just the united states looking at the debate and if you with respect to both candidates the president and romney they both seem to have missed so many opportunities to show leadership on the world stage i mean if we look at obama's record it starts from the green revolution in iran there were thousands and tens of thousands of iranians out there on the streets in tehran and where was it ministration we couldn't hear the for the people getting killed there for democracy and nothing happened ok then and so why would you suggest they would you suggest an intervention then regime change. has a more america has
a moral voice america is looked at from the right you said it yourself america is looked at from around the world you're right wrong he was badly wrong really was saying the wrong things he wasn't thinking before before you open his mouth on the other hand obama was silent so much i mean look at obama now in syria he hasn't shown any kind of leadership and so what would you suggest intervention would you suggest another war i would suggest leadership leadership is first of all to shift to to sound a clear moral voice so that things are wrong so the leaders have to have to leave the stage there are various ways of doing that if diplomacy does intervention there are so many different things that can be done but obama time and time again has failed in showing a leadership romney that hasn't been any better we need in america the world needs an american president america is still the world's leading power it's still a moral voice and the wall needs an american president to be able to be able to stand up at the right time and say the right thing american ok penny go ahead but i think america but i think the president has been strong because there is
a delicate balance that needs to be struck the american people are fifteen we are war fatigue we have been into trance of all wars for the last two years and our blood and treasure has been lost and so i know it's in the people i say you know that the americans need to be the leader but we have a lead and we. we have been in two wars and so you have to balance to make sure that we're not saying you know we're going to be putting going back into syria we're not going back into a war in egypt we're not going into a war our country is fatigued right now ok bruce well you're right where i would agree there i would agree with that i mean. where i would agree with penny is that is that the united states is fatigued and we're bankrupt where i disagree with pennies that block obama is he getting us to the right place he's the one that got us involved in libya and it all backfired why are we supporting the rebels in libya who are backed by al qaeda the united states and all welled up coming on us with the attack going to sway me the release of all these very. serious and i wasn't
talking weeks ago was a successful intervention penny go ahead. and i mean but you apply that now i mean you're from others that said well where is his leadership now in syria they want the same kind of thing they want to arm the rebels in syria and end up in a tragic situation so you have to do these things very delicately the world i agree with them but here's my plan so you. go ahead in london. the world is looking to america for something better i mean look what's happening now at around china when china is threatening nations around the around the seas there's a threatening islands there the world looks to america the world doesn't look to any other country in the world for stability and for leadership and for some kind of moral purpose or some kind of do you think it's really. a moral beacon for a lot of people in the greater middle east after what's happened i mean. it's really. american yes american made as made a mistake you made is
a huge mistake that doesn't that does not take away from the huge things america has brought to me when we talk about the values that people in the middle east are fighting for for democracy longer see it. as a universal value penny jumping. to the right to build them up very well they did there are there is fighting that has occurred in the in sectarian violence and in clandestine ways that we cannot control and right now especially like in egypt and libya you have internal strife right now whether or not you want to you know do it here to a more conservative more religious more islamic view or do you want to have a little bit more on the modern side so you have internal strife right now that america has no place in that conversation that is stuff that they have to work out themselves we are being caught into the middle of that and so we are trying to make sure that there is a democracy that is being said that we can aid and abide where we can but at the
same time you know there are many things that have gone centuries that these fights have occurred for centuries that we just don't have the ability to control and they are going to importantly have to ports and sell through their head when jump in peter i think i think my final point you're tuval number one we don't have to butt in to anything happening in libya in syria or in egypt with american troops but the easiest way to butt in is to cut off aid to a muslim brotherhood. egypt there's no reason to give them two billion dollars a year when they hate america and they threaten the way when they run the one day election every day we won the elections ok we don't have to support them there's no reason why me as an american taxpayer has to send our almost dollars i'd see egypt that is the message to america's since if you vote either way you will be punished ok if you vote the wrong way well if you try to be american isn't and for the death of americans and our friends and number two here's the one issue that hasn't been discussed today the bet the most important national security threat to america is
our own solvency and bankruptcy and therefore i support romney because to be a beacon to the world we have to first get our own economic domestic house in order obama's added five trillion a debt we cannot fight for freedom around the world when we're bankrupt at home we need to cut spending and cut the deficit and get the budget in balance that's the number one national security ok when you do support him but you romney says he's going to expand the defense spending at the same time. yeah well listen you don't you don't find one hundred percent agreement with any candidate america domestically economically is in disaster in crisis in an economic armageddon under barack obama i'm a businessman i see my business is going under i would not survive four more years of brock obama so i take what i can get with mitt on israel with all economic issues and i and i absolutely support mitt romney for president states but i
absolutely agree that we do not want to nation build and we do not want to spend our money all over the world the results have been chaotic at best ok penny you know what is the disconnect here because we have two people running for president but in my opinion have remarkably similar foreign policy views but it's a disconnect with the american people like you said americans have enough of this why the disconnect. well i mean right now you're speaking to her in the height of the presidential campaign we're two weeks. left to go and so you're the american public is wanting to hear from each side what they truly believe what they believe in themselves so they're trying to speak to their own. audiences it but we are a very divided country right now we have eighty percent you know basically are ninety percent of the electorate are already decided in its permanently on one side or the other so it's almost like you're confirming what you already know right now and that's why you're seeing this strong disconnect i do believe that whoever becomes the present which i believe should be brought obama should be the next
should continue on to be the president of united states i do think that you're going to have to start to see as some kind of healing and some bringing together of these strong divides that we have in america because i agree with wayne we do need to get our debt and our fiscal situation under or i would i would say you know president obama has a better plan than mitt romney with his mass dildoes and add up but let me do need to have you know coming out of this election we do need to have some healing and this country bring it back together and so what do you think about that seems to me there's a genetic code of american foreign policy doesn't really matter if it's a democrat or republican anymore. well i agree that in many ways the foreign policy of both parties is not very different i mean if you look over the over decades and even a whole century of american foreign policy america has stuck to this policeman of the world for over four hundred years now this is this is a very very much a part of it like you say the american genetic code but if you talk about the way foreign policy is being debated and i'm talking about somebody looking from the outside i'm here in london and i don't traveling the world i'm not an american but i am deeply interested in the american election campaign i don't think there's any
election campaign in the world that you can read about and learn about such a depth and know so much about it through thousands of television and radio channels and websites and newspapers we saw every point of foreign policy is being debated was the debate well i jack and sometimes yeah maybe debate is going a little too far it's not and you can you can read it but the fact is is that almost every every sentence and every every almost every facial expression of one of the candidates is being dissected like you said maybe is going too far but. this this debate we have this conversation we're having today on your on your show just proves how every little nuance of the foreign policy is being analyzed and pored over so i think that the foreign policy america is quite bitter has quite an interesting and complex thing when go ahead jump in and i don't think if you don't think we're interested i think a lot of people are rather afraid anyway when you go ahead. well let me give you
a very different view because you know very often i debate with these foreign policy experts and i'm a small businessman i'm just the guy with boots on the ground on main street here in the united states and i'm telling you with thousands of people who are fans of my for my vice presidential run with friends all over this country from different diverse areas most people just don't care that much about foreign policy we care about our economy going up in flames this is not a big issue israel a little bit of an issue libya an issue but in general the average american only cares we have run out of this and i only there are days i eat out and thank you and thank everybody else it's cold comfort when you get a drone on your house here many thanks to my guest today in london washington and in las vegas and thanks to our viewers for watching us we'd already see you make some remember crosstalk. and.
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